Curse

malevolence · Apr 10, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Hi everybody , I will build a new machine (next month, or next week if I get the money )

, and here is the hardware I selected/you recommended :

EDIT: More changes...

-Memory: OCZ ReaperX HPC Enhanced Bandwidth 4096 MB, PC3-10666, 1333 MHz, 6, Non-ECC, Kit Of 2
-MotherBoard: XFX NForce 790i 3-Way SLI (Systeem Bus:1600 MHz - Chipset: NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra MCP )
-CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50 GHz, 1333 MHz, 6 MB, Tray
-Case: Thermaltake SwingRS 100 Black with window
-Monitor: Samsung TFT SyncMaster 226BW 22 Inch, 2 Ms, Black
-HD:Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 320 GB, 7200 Rpm, 16 MB, S-ATA II/300
-PowerSupply: Thermaltake Toughpower 850 Watt, 20+24 Pins (compatible with GX2)
-Video Card: XFX GeForce 9800 GX2 1024 MB, PCI-e 16x
-CPU cooler: Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Aluminium, Koper

In total is like: 1994 €

What do you think , is all ok ? please advice and leave a comment.

Thank you.

Cheers.

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

I dunno about that cooler. Why dont you get the scythe infinity? It's like the best one out there. Also, that's going to be one hell of a computer
EDIT: typo

malevolence · Apr 10, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Pasha the Mighty

I dunno about that cooler. Why dont you get the scythe infinity? It's like the best one out there. Also, that's going to be on hell of a computer

The new version of scythe infinity looks great

and all coolers from scythe are nice

. Thank you for the advice.

Brianna · Apr 10, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

I wouldn't get that exact Zalman heatsink, I'd go for a better one like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118019 I was personally going to buy this model, but bought a different one because I thought it would hit my RAM.

Is this the Scythe Infinity you mean?

If so, that is huge. I think the Zalman is much smaller than that, but yeah it looks like it's effective none the less.

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

It definitely is huge, and it definitely get's the job done. It's so super awesome you'll hit other problems while oc'ing the cpu before you start to get near a too high temp.

Brianna · Apr 10, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Heh, yeah, well no doubt, it's huge.

I think on my next system build, I'll go with the Zalman, I just hope I don't chop my finger off with it like some other people almost have.

Right now I have a Thermaltake Mini Typhoon, it's full copper with 6 heat pipes and all that, about 20-30$ USD now for it, it's decent but there is way more effective things out there.

Painbringer · Apr 10, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

And to think back in the day... I built a Pentium 166 mini ATX mother board with 16 ram / 4 meg maxtron graphics with sound blaster and a 200 meg Hard drive (I think if I remember right I am at work)

Only had problems copying the windows software from my older system to the new machine. I thought it was awesome.

What is the price range you are spending for this machine?

majestikk · Apr 10, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

if you're going to be spending that much money why not get a monitor with a higher contrast ratio
the one you selected is 700:1
the Samsung 226BW 22IN Widescreen is 3000:1 with a 2ms refresh rate
and the newer version, 2253BW, is supposed to have like 8000:1 and not have a panel lottery

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

If we're recommending new monitors, consider the hp w2207. It was compared to the 223CW, and it was said to have the WOW factor the samsung didn't. BTW, the 223CW is similar, but also doesn't have a panel lottery. here's the comparison: http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors...7&cval=2447317
btw, it has a refresh rate of 5ms, but I don't think you'll notice the difference between the 2ms of the CW. It is more expensive though

Nazar Razak · Apr 10, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Malevolance, the Cooler AFAIK will fit. they are both Socket 775. So i dont see what problem there would be. But in my opinion, this is a better one. ^^
Anyway. I also think that getting a physics card is totally useless. PhysX is used in only a few games.
The video card im not sure, there is alot of debate, whether the 8 series, or 9 series are better. Many people go for the 8800 Ultra, while others go for the 9800 GX2. so uh...yeah.

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I'm sorry, but seeing as the 8800gts-512 can match the gtx, and the gtx and ultra are similar, and the gx2 is pretty much 2 gts-512's, I don't really see any debate room. Also, isn't the 9800gtx better than the 8800gtx and ultra, and isn't the gx2 better than the 9800gtx (but also way more expensive)? Anyway, who is going to spend 230 pounds on a cpu cooler? that's 450 dollars, or in other words, another gx2 for quad-sli. I think I proved my point. You can oc all you want with that cooler, but with that kind of money, I'd go for quad sli.
anyway, OT: I agree that you don't need the physx. Also, you really should look into the scythe infinity, it's like 30 dollars, which is normal for a good cpu cooler, but it has the capability to mount 4 120mm fans in 2 push-pull configurations.

Nazar Razak · Apr 10, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

The cooler, i was joking :P
But the thing is, the GX2 is basically two GPUs in one, performance with it is very similar to the 8800 Ultra in non-SLI supported games. the 9800 GTX has similar performance to the 8800 Ultra aswell. Anyway, if you would want to do SLI, three 9800 GTXs perform better than two GX2s (those being the most you can put in a system).
As for coolers, look into Arctic Cooling fans, cheap and cheerful :P.
Your CPU, i uh...dont know much about it, but look into getting a Q6600, (they are perfect for overclocking) many people OC to 3ghz on Air! (and some crazy people to 4ghz, but hey.)

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Well, if we're recommending other cpu's, don't get a quad. I'm telling you, the ones which are good now will be obsolete by the time they get used to their full potential. Get an e8400. I heard you can get it to run on 4ghz easily. I read about the tri-sli, but I think we're spending the topic starter's money, money that he might not want to spend on a freakin' tri-sli capable mobo and three 9800 gtx's. BTW, the 9800gtx is cheaper than the ultra, and just as much as the 8800gtx, so I'd choose it over anything, including the gx2, cuz that thing is way overpriced.

Nazar Razak · Apr 10, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

The thing is about the Q9660, is its Cheap, and easy to overclock to something that would be about £500 more expensive.
Edit: looking at the e8400, its the same price as a Q9660, but dual-core?
the thing is, wont dual-core CPUs just become obsolete...faster than a good Quad-Core?

Pasha the Mighty · Apr 10, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

No, because games and programs are at the moment properly adjusted to dual core cpu's, but not quad's. Only with video encoding and stuff like that would you profit from a quad right now. Now don't get me wrong, your computer will react a bit faster with a quad core, but it has less processing power per core, that's why I'm going for the dual core.

Why_Me · Apr 10, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

The absolute best (air) coolers on the market are the thermalright ultra 120 extreme and the Xigmatek hdt-s1283. The xigmatek is also cheaper than the other coolers recommended.

Nazar Razak · Apr 10, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Pasha the Mighty

No, because games and programs are at the moment properly adjusted to dual core cpu's, but not quad's. Only with video encoding and stuff like that would you profit from a quad right now. Now don't get me wrong, your computer will react a bit faster with a quad core, but it has less processing power per core, that's why I'm going for the dual core.

ok, lets compare the e8400, with the Q6600.
the Q6600 is very easily overclocked, so you could OC it to 3ghz per core. so even if a program only utilates 2 cores, it would get the same performance as the e8400.
But anyway, getting a quad-core would probably last longer IMO, when technology moves on, quad-core multithreading would be used more.
Its not like he's going to wait a few years to get a new computer because the current quad-core CPUs arent being used to their full potential. And if two cores out of four in a quad-core amount to the same of both cores in a dual-core. at the same price, whats the point?

malevolence · Apr 11, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Hi, thanks for the advices

, yeah I was looking into the Q6600 cpu first , and its a good idea to buy the Q6600, I will fix that. About the monitor great adivice , I hope price dont get higher :S , all I can spend is 2000e , no more.

I saw a good review with several games (including Crysis) and benchmarks comparing the 9800 GX2 and the 8800 Ultra , the GX2 performed better in overall , and the price is really low comparing to the 8800 ultra, so I will stick with the GX2 at the moment, the only problem at the moment is the driver , but I am sure Nvida will fix that soon.

One question now, whats the different with the Q6600 and the Q6600 G0 ?

Quaker · Apr 11, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by malevolence

-PhysX card: BFG PhysX

Don't bother. The PhysX card is essentially a dead issue.

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Actually , I am having 1 issues here, the CPU cooler , I am not sure if it will work well with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550.

Unless you plan to overclock it, the stock cooler should be more than enough. Other than that, you'd need to make sure the cooler you get can actually fit on the motherboard/cpu.

Nazar Razak · Apr 11, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

the GO version overclocks better, (uses less energy, makes less heat). It wont matter which version you get, unless you start overclocking above 2.8ghz (which i would do, when i get it :P).